{"id":6418,"date":"2024-03-11T20:49:39","date_gmt":"2024-03-11T18:49:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/?p=6418"},"modified":"2026-01-19T18:57:38","modified_gmt":"2026-01-19T16:57:38","slug":"un-va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre-et-sans-fil-supplementaire","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/un-va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre-et-sans-fil-supplementaire","title":{"rendered":"A Zigbee back-and-forth without neutral and additional wireless"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_89 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-light-blue ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<label for=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6ae469dad4464\" class=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-label\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewbox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewbox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseprofile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/label><input type=\"checkbox\"  id=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6ae469dad4464\"  aria-label=\"Toggle\" \/><nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/un-va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre-et-sans-fil-supplementaire\/#Objectif_et_contraintes\" >Objective and constraints<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/un-va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre-et-sans-fil-supplementaire\/#Un_va-et-vient_dorigine\" >An original back-and-forth<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/un-va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre-et-sans-fil-supplementaire\/#Je_veux_domotiser_cela_en_Zigbee\" >I want to domotize this in Zigbee<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/un-va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre-et-sans-fil-supplementaire\/#Mon_nouveau_schema\" >My new scheme<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/un-va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre-et-sans-fil-supplementaire\/#Je_parametre_le_type_de_commande_monostable\" >I set the command type (monostable)<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-6\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/un-va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre-et-sans-fil-supplementaire\/#Jintegre_le_module_dans_Zigbee2MQTT\" >I integrate the module into Zigbee2MQTT<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-7\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/un-va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre-et-sans-fil-supplementaire\/#Je_vais_dans_Home_Assistant_retrouver_mon_equipement\" >I go to Home Assistant to find my equipment<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-8\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/un-va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre-et-sans-fil-supplementaire\/#Je_teste\" >I'm testing<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-9\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/un-va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre-et-sans-fil-supplementaire\/#Commentaires_besoin_de_precisions_ou_explications\" >Comments ? need clarification or explanation ?<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Objectif_et_contraintes\"><\/span>Objective and constraints<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<p>On this RetEx, I set the bar quite high, I would like to replace an existing back and forth, so with two wires shuttles by one <strong>back and forth domotized Zigbee<\/strong> without having to add thread.<\/p>\r\n<p>Please note that I have not <strong>Not Neutral<\/strong> switches.<\/p>\r\n<p>The only deviation I allow myself is to replace the switches with push buttons.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Un_va-et-vient_dorigine\"><\/span>An original back-and-forth<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/schema-va-et-vient-lampe.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6424\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/schema-va-et-vient-lampe.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"513\" height=\"227\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/schema-va-et-vient-lampe.png 513w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/schema-va-et-vient-lampe-300x133.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 513px) 100vw, 513px\" \/><\/a><!--more--><\/p>\r\n<p>So with each switch I have 3 wires, the two shuttle wires and a phase (red wire) and to feed the lamp, the orange\/yellow wire.<\/p>\r\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Je_veux_domotiser_cela_en_Zigbee\"><\/span>I want to domotize this in Zigbee<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<p>Most home automation back-and-forth solutions require adding a wire between the two switches, as I have an inaccessible bypass box, I cannot add a cable between the switches, so I looked for another solution.<\/p>\r\n<p>I had a first help from <a href=\"https:\/\/forum.hacf.fr\/u\/Doubledom\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Doubledom<\/a> with this <a href=\"https:\/\/forum.hacf.fr\/uploads\/default\/optimized\/3X\/a\/1\/a1140ae40148deddd2eb0824844a7c701a485104_2_684x499.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">diagram<\/a>. Then a second of <a href=\"https:\/\/forum.hacf.fr\/u\/BBE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">BBE<\/a> on this <a href=\"https:\/\/tutoriels.domotique-store.fr\/content\/323\/605\/fr\/manuel-en-fran%C3%A7ais-du-module-actionneur-zigbee-pour-interrupteur-sans-neutre-_-sonoff-zbmini_l.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tuto<\/a>. Thanks to them.<\/p>\r\n<p>I adapted this to the last unneutral Sonoff Zigbee, i.e. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/product\/zbminil2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">ZBMINIL2<\/a>, it is really very small and cute.<\/p>\r\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/ZBMINIIL2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-6422\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/ZBMINIIL2.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"265\" height=\"215\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/ZBMINIIL2.png 369w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/ZBMINIIL2-300x243.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 265px) 100vw, 265px\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-7967\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/switchwiring.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"679\" height=\"250\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/switchwiring.jpg 679w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/switchwiring-600x221.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/switchwiring-300x110.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 679px) 100vw, 679px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\r\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Mon_nouveau_schema\"><\/span>My new scheme<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/schema-va-et-vient-lampe-ZI.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6426\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/schema-va-et-vient-lampe-ZI.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"593\" height=\"427\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/schema-va-et-vient-lampe-ZI.png 593w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/schema-va-et-vient-lampe-ZI-300x216.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 593px) 100vw, 593px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\r\n<p>The purple wires are the old back-and-forth \u2018shuttles\u2019, one will lead the phase to the mini module and the other will either be \u2018in the air\u2019 or receive (by pressing a push button) a phase pulse which will be transmitted to S2 of the mini module.<\/p>\r\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Je_parametre_le_type_de_commande_monostable\"><\/span>I set the command type (monostable)<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<p>I'm flipping it. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/product\/zbminil2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">ZBMINIL2<\/a> in \u2018mono-stable\u2019 mode, that is to say, I inform him that it is not controlled by switches but by push buttons. By default, it is bistable, i.e. a two-position switch.<\/p>\r\n<p>For this, very simple, it is in the leaflet, you press the button 3 times and the mini module pays by blinking 3 times, I control mode is changed. (thank you again <a href=\"https:\/\/forum.hacf.fr\/u\/BBE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">BBE<\/a>)<\/p>\r\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/28b1d59c73769585bf1a4b1e6f25667d50f8cee0_2_690x204.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6427\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/28b1d59c73769585bf1a4b1e6f25667d50f8cee0_2_690x204.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"690\" height=\"204\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/28b1d59c73769585bf1a4b1e6f25667d50f8cee0_2_690x204.png 690w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/28b1d59c73769585bf1a4b1e6f25667d50f8cee0_2_690x204-600x177.png 600w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/28b1d59c73769585bf1a4b1e6f25667d50f8cee0_2_690x204-300x89.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 690px) 100vw, 690px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\r\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Jintegre_le_module_dans_Zigbee2MQTT\"><\/span>I integrate the module into Zigbee2MQTT<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<p>I'm pairing Zigbee2MQTT.<\/p>\r\n<p>Very classic, I press the module button for a long time until the LED flashes.<\/p>\r\n<p>The mini-module is quickly recognized.<\/p>\r\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-1-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6429\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-1-1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"536\" height=\"685\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-1-1.png 536w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-1-1-235x300.png 235w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 536px) 100vw, 536px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\r\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6430\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-2.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"686\" height=\"249\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-2.png 686w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-2-600x218.png 600w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-2-300x109.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 686px) 100vw, 686px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\r\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Je_vais_dans_Home_Assistant_retrouver_mon_equipement\"><\/span>I go to Home Assistant to find my equipment<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-3.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6431\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-3.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"687\" height=\"501\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-3.png 687w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-3-600x438.png 600w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/zbminil2-3-300x219.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 687px) 100vw, 687px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\r\n<p>Very classically, I changed the \u2018display as\u2019 parameter to turn the control into \u2018light\u2019, which is simpler for the management of this equipment and for the link with the voice assistants.<\/p>\r\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/entantque.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-7160\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/entantque.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"604\" height=\"688\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/entantque.png 604w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/entantque-600x683.png 600w, https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/entantque-263x300.png 263w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 604px) 100vw, 604px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\r\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Je_teste\"><\/span>I'm testing<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<p>The domotised back and forth works perfectly and I can have the state of my light in HA. I can also drive it via HA. Perfect!<\/p>\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Commentaires_besoin_de_precisions_ou_explications\"><\/span>Comments ? need clarification or explanation ?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<p>Do not hesitate to intervene on this thread:<\/p>\r\n<ul>\r\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/forum.hacf.fr\/t\/va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre\/37340\/32\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/forum.hacf.fr\/t\/va-et-vient-zigbee-sans-neutre\/37340\/32<\/a><\/li>\r\n<\/ul>\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Objective and constraints On this RetEx, I set the bar quite high, I would like to replace an existing back and forth, so with two shuttle wires by a back and forth domotized Zigbee without having to add wire. Note that I do not have the switch neutral. The only breach that I allow myself to do is to replace the ...<\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":6426,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[14,53,166,68],"tags":[62],"class_list":["post-6418","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-domotique","category-home-assistant","category-retex","category-zigbee-materiels","tag-switch"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6418","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6418"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6418\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/6426"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6418"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6418"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sigalou-domotique.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6418"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}